Comments on: Ignoring Dark Tutelage http://fivewithflores.com/2010/07/ignoring-dark-tutelage/ Where you learn to love what Mike Flores loves Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:31:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: MTGBattlefield http://fivewithflores.com/2010/07/ignoring-dark-tutelage/#comment-2617 MTGBattlefield Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:17:48 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=985#comment-2617 <strong>Ignoring Dark Tutelage...</strong> Your story has been summoned to the battlefield - Trackback from MTGBattlefield... Ignoring Dark Tutelage…

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]]> By: wobblesthegoose http://fivewithflores.com/2010/07/ignoring-dark-tutelage/#comment-2612 wobblesthegoose Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:09:38 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=985#comment-2612 Flores I definately agree with the article. This isn't the card drawing engine for anything except extremely aggressive decks, not for mid-range or MBC or whatever. One drops, and lots of them. I mean, consider that in R/B at least 12 one drops that attack for 2 on the second turn exist with little drawback. And 1cc burn spells like flameslash, bolt, and forked. And the two drops are also completely insane. Most of the efficient and expensive (read 3cc) red cards are rotating out of standard in two months, and red's going to want a late game plan once that first wrath hits. It's not like this thing really effects how much of a clock BSA is anyway. Also, Death's Shadow. Just saying. Verdict: Roleplayer-low Alfre I don't see the white leyline being particularly effective. At least not any more effective than the other leylines.Sure, it's great in an opening grip, but consider that most of the red decks best burn spells aren't spells right now, they're 4/4 flying unearthing monstrosities. The only thing that has to target players is searing blaze, and I'm pretty sure that's getting sided out against white even before leyline. As for discard, it's only great if your opponent wasn't planning on doing anything but blightning you. And even then, it only stops the blightning if you won the leylinelottery. Otherwise it's still going to hit you turn 3. You probably don't bother to take it with duress. Also, it dies to AiD, both yours and your opponents, so I just don't see it's place. Flores

I definately agree with the article. This isn’t the card drawing engine for anything except extremely aggressive decks, not for mid-range or MBC or whatever. One drops, and lots of them. I mean, consider that in R/B at least 12 one drops that attack for 2 on the second turn exist with little drawback. And 1cc burn spells like flameslash, bolt, and forked. And the two drops are also completely insane. Most of the efficient and expensive (read 3cc) red cards are rotating out of standard in two months, and red’s going to want a late game plan once that first wrath hits. It’s not like this thing really effects how much of a clock BSA is anyway. Also, Death’s Shadow. Just saying. Verdict: Roleplayer-low

Alfre

I don’t see the white leyline being particularly effective. At least not any more effective than the other leylines.Sure, it’s great in an opening grip, but consider that most of the red decks best burn spells aren’t spells right now, they’re 4/4 flying unearthing monstrosities. The only thing that has to target players is searing blaze, and I’m pretty sure that’s getting sided out against white even before leyline. As for discard, it’s only great if your opponent wasn’t planning on doing anything but blightning you. And even then, it only stops the blightning if you won the leylinelottery. Otherwise it’s still going to hit you turn 3. You probably don’t bother to take it with duress. Also, it dies to AiD, both yours and your opponents, so I just don’t see it’s place.

]]> By: Alfrebaut http://fivewithflores.com/2010/07/ignoring-dark-tutelage/#comment-2610 Alfrebaut Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:27:22 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=985#comment-2610 Well, unlike you, I happen to like Dark Confidant. But then again, I <b>am</b> a mostly red player. I've won some basically unwinnable games thanks to my opponents' Dark Confidants basically drawing <b>me</b> cards. Dark Tutelage <i>is so much better.</i> They can't even kill it themselves! If RDW didn't feel so nerfed right now with the printing of such hits as Mana Leak, Obstinate Baloth and the white Leyline, I'd be dancing with joy right now. Because, for sure, someone out there <i>is going to play Dark Tutelage</i>. On a side note, how bonkers is white Leyline? It's not just red decks it hurts, either. Discard's taking a beating(so MBC might be dead on board again), it slows down combo decks significantly, and it makes red decks very sad to boot. I'm not sure if I'm just being particularly down on it or if it's as nuts as I think, but it does definitely hurt. Maybe the next evolution of red will be RW again? Well, unlike you, I happen to like Dark Confidant. But then again, I am a mostly red player. I’ve won some basically unwinnable games thanks to my opponents’ Dark Confidants basically drawing me cards. Dark Tutelage is so much better. They can’t even kill it themselves! If RDW didn’t feel so nerfed right now with the printing of such hits as Mana Leak, Obstinate Baloth and the white Leyline, I’d be dancing with joy right now. Because, for sure, someone out there is going to play Dark Tutelage.

On a side note, how bonkers is white Leyline? It’s not just red decks it hurts, either. Discard’s taking a beating(so MBC might be dead on board again), it slows down combo decks significantly, and it makes red decks very sad to boot. I’m not sure if I’m just being particularly down on it or if it’s as nuts as I think, but it does definitely hurt. Maybe the next evolution of red will be RW again?

]]> By: climberking2000 http://fivewithflores.com/2010/07/ignoring-dark-tutelage/#comment-2607 climberking2000 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:26:21 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=985#comment-2607 I like the card just because I know one day I'll play a guy, and he'll have this and Emrakul (or really any Cthulu) in a deck, and I will get to see the kind of day nightmares are made of. Wouldn't play it myself though I like the card just because I know one day I’ll play a guy, and he’ll have this and Emrakul (or really any Cthulu) in a deck, and I will get to see the kind of day nightmares are made of. Wouldn’t play it myself though

]]> By: dyee418 http://fivewithflores.com/2010/07/ignoring-dark-tutelage/#comment-2606 dyee418 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:15:45 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=985#comment-2606 To me Dark Confidant is really spectacular in a lot of vintage/legacy decks because of having mostly 1-2 casting cost spells which makes it more relevant or to try and dig a bit deeper rather than standard or somewhat former extended. I haven't personally played with or against the card but it seems alright and could be worth it in the right situations. But yes Dark tutelage is interesting but that doesn't mean it's good because of the higher suicide risk. If Mono Black Control ever became a bigger more effective archetype (though I don't think it will) it would need too much set up to make this decent. To me Dark Confidant is really spectacular in a lot of vintage/legacy decks because of having mostly 1-2 casting cost spells which makes it more relevant or to try and dig a bit deeper rather than standard or somewhat former extended. I haven’t personally played with or against the card but it seems alright and could be worth it in the right situations. But yes Dark tutelage is interesting but that doesn’t mean it’s good because of the higher suicide risk. If Mono Black Control ever became a bigger more effective archetype (though I don’t think it will) it would need too much set up to make this decent.

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