Comments on: Another Good Use for Umezawa’s Jitte http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/ Where you learn to love what Mike Flores loves Tue, 20 Dec 2011 04:49:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Five With Flores » Rise of the Eldrazi – Transcendent Master http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-3468 Five With Flores » Rise of the Eldrazi – Transcendent Master Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:38:40 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-3468 [...] time there was a superb Constructed format. Some gripers complained that it was overly dominated by Umezawa’s Jitte, but it wasn’t. Teddy Card Game actually wrote an article claiming that Gifts Ungiven [...] [...] time there was a superb Constructed format. Some gripers complained that it was overly dominated by Umezawa’s Jitte, but it wasn’t. Teddy Card Game actually wrote an article claiming that Gifts Ungiven [...]

]]> By: MTGBattlefield http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1637 MTGBattlefield Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:45:35 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1637 <strong>Another Good Use for Umezawa’s Jitte...</strong> Your story has been summoned to the battlefield - Trackback from MTGBattlefield... Another Good Use for Umezawa’s Jitte…

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]]> By: bigheadjoe http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1636 bigheadjoe Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:16:22 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1636 Very good point, Mike. I haven't played against the deck before and was looking at different options to deal with the combo. I wasn't sure exactly when the deck managed to go off. Dead//Gone seems like the optimal choice, and for the record I already finished off my set with Joey P's help before looking into other ways to deal with the combo. Thanks for your insight into those 2 considerations. See Episode 10 of YO! MtG TAPS! for more Michael J. references, to be posted later tonight or tomorrow morning. Gotta get to editing the damn thing now and not just staring slack-jawed at Twitter. BHJ Very good point, Mike. I haven’t played against the deck before and was looking at different options to deal with the combo. I wasn’t sure exactly when the deck managed to go off. Dead//Gone seems like the optimal choice, and for the record I already finished off my set with Joey P’s help before looking into other ways to deal with the combo. Thanks for your insight into those 2 considerations. See Episode 10 of YO! MtG TAPS! for more Michael J. references, to be posted later tonight or tomorrow morning. Gotta get to editing the damn thing now and not just staring slack-jawed at Twitter.

BHJ

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1635 admin Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:03:45 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1635 @l_neiman Extirpate and Thought Hemmorhage are good against the Thopter Foundry side of the combo (Extirpate in particular)... But don't really help out that much against the Dark Depths side unless something fortunate happens. If you are already running hot on fortune... etc. @bigheadjoe Those both seem pretty sub-optimal. Why wouldn't the opponent just sacrifice his Urborg (Crack the Earth)? That is assuming he has no other permanents and blew his whole opener on a turn two combo... He would still have an Urborg. Reroute is too situational. I literally have to have mana open and the Reroute WHILE the opponent decides to go off. If he already has a tempo advantage, he just won't act until I force him to. If I am going to invest in an incremental solution (i.e. cards) Dead // Gone seems superior both because you can just kill the Hexmage (or Dark Confidant) with one mana before he goes off, and it gives you an out after he's gone off. With Reroute I have no such mana flexibility. I am going to be running -2 fallow / turn for the rest of the game with this card unless the opponent plays right into my hands. If he is going to do that, I don't need Reroute. @l_neiman
Extirpate and Thought Hemmorhage are good against the Thopter Foundry side of the combo (Extirpate in particular)… But don’t really help out that much against the Dark Depths side unless something fortunate happens. If you are already running hot on fortune… etc.

@bigheadjoe
Those both seem pretty sub-optimal. Why wouldn’t the opponent just sacrifice his Urborg (Crack the Earth)? That is assuming he has no other permanents and blew his whole opener on a turn two combo… He would still have an Urborg.

Reroute is too situational. I literally have to have mana open and the Reroute WHILE the opponent decides to go off. If he already has a tempo advantage, he just won’t act until I force him to. If I am going to invest in an incremental solution (i.e. cards) Dead // Gone seems superior both because you can just kill the Hexmage (or Dark Confidant) with one mana before he goes off, and it gives you an out after he’s gone off. With Reroute I have no such mana flexibility. I am going to be running -2 fallow / turn for the rest of the game with this card unless the opponent plays right into my hands. If he is going to do that, I don’t need Reroute.

]]> By: bigheadjoe http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1634 bigheadjoe Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1634 Two options I have been thinking about for stopping the Dark Depths menace: Crack the Earth and Reroute. Look em up. Bigheadjoe Two options I have been thinking about for stopping the Dark Depths menace: Crack the Earth and Reroute. Look em up.

Bigheadjoe

]]> By: l_neiman http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1633 l_neiman Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:31:54 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1633 Speaking as someone who's piloted Dark Depths I can say that Dead//Gone is pretty annoying, probably more so than Path to Exile since you can also use it on an early Bob and not give them a free land. Having said that, I don't know that it's better than the other stuff you're running, especially since most Depths pilots will run GerryT's hybrid Thopter/Depths builds and Dead//Gone is only against one half of the deck. Luis Speaking as someone who’s piloted Dark Depths I can say that Dead//Gone is pretty annoying, probably more so than Path to Exile since you can also use it on an early Bob and not give them a free land.

Having said that, I don’t know that it’s better than the other stuff you’re running, especially since most Depths pilots will run GerryT’s hybrid Thopter/Depths builds and Dead//Gone is only against one half of the deck.

Luis

]]> By: von_sparron http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1632 von_sparron Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:15:06 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1632 I've seen versions of this deck running W for PtE. That seems pretty decent - mobs up annoying baneslayers and Marit Lage tokens + can help you hit the magic 7th land. If you don't want to screw with the manabase Dead/Gone probably does a reasonable job. I’ve seen versions of this deck running W for PtE. That seems pretty decent – mobs up annoying baneslayers and Marit Lage tokens + can help you hit the magic 7th land. If you don’t want to screw with the manabase Dead/Gone probably does a reasonable job.

]]> By: Alfrebaut http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1631 Alfrebaut Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:03:03 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1631 Hey, you know what this deck needs? Some Skred. Hey, you know what this deck needs? Some Skred.

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1629 admin Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:18:50 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1629 UPDATE! I just played a couple more matches v. Fae and Affinity. Fae was pretty unlucky but with Punishing Fire it seemed like a pretty good matchup. Affinity blew me out in G1 but Ancient Grudge made it pretty easy. I sided out Lightning Bolt for Ancient Grudge in that matchup (not sure if that is optimal). UPDATE!

I just played a couple more matches v. Fae and Affinity.

Fae was pretty unlucky but with Punishing Fire it seemed like a pretty good matchup.

Affinity blew me out in G1 but Ancient Grudge made it pretty easy. I sided out Lightning Bolt for Ancient Grudge in that matchup (not sure if that is optimal).

]]> By: StaplerGuy http://fivewithflores.com/2010/01/another-good-use-for-umezawas-jitte/#comment-1628 StaplerGuy Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:35:49 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=900#comment-1628 Adrian Sullivan had it in the sideboard of his red deck last season - it did a number on Swans of Bryn Argoll and sometimes some other random stuff. Certainly seems worth considering. Adrian Sullivan had it in the sideboard of his red deck last season – it did a number on Swans of Bryn Argoll and sometimes some other random stuff. Certainly seems worth considering.

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