Comments on: Power to the Punishing Fire http://fivewithflores.com/2009/11/power-to-the-punishing-fire/ Where you learn to love what Mike Flores loves Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:38:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Alfrebaut http://fivewithflores.com/2009/11/power-to-the-punishing-fire/#comment-1463 Alfrebaut Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:57:46 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=874#comment-1463 @bigheadjoe: I hadn't thought of Needlebite Trap, but I do have a prototype of a Kavu Predator/Fiery Justice Punishing/Grove deck which I built when I first heard of Punishing Fire, and the mana in Extended is pretty ridiculous, so it's entirely possible. Earlier versions had jank like Roar of Jukai in it, so I guess it'd still be best to experiment. @bigheadjoe: I hadn’t thought of Needlebite Trap, but I do have a prototype of a Kavu Predator/Fiery Justice Punishing/Grove deck which I built when I first heard of Punishing Fire, and the mana in Extended is pretty ridiculous, so it’s entirely possible. Earlier versions had jank like Roar of Jukai in it, so I guess it’d still be best to experiment.

]]> By: Alfrebaut http://fivewithflores.com/2009/11/power-to-the-punishing-fire/#comment-1461 Alfrebaut Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:09:00 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=874#comment-1461 @thepedestrian: I've played "the lighting bolt deck" perpetually in extended for a while, even when it hasn't been Extended season, and while there is often room for 3-mana spells, like Sulfurous Vortex and sometimes Flames of the Blood Hand, I don't think Blood Moon can really come out early enough, or even consistently enough, in this deck, to make that big a difference. It might be a decent out against combo if the deck played acceleration, but it simply can't afford to. Even Molten Rain, which I have in my sideboard, which not only disrupts, but deals 2 damage, often seems too slow. Also, Mike... have you tried Smash to Smithereens? @thepedestrian: I’ve played “the lighting bolt deck” perpetually in extended for a while, even when it hasn’t been Extended season, and while there is often room for 3-mana spells, like Sulfurous Vortex and sometimes Flames of the Blood Hand, I don’t think Blood Moon can really come out early enough, or even consistently enough, in this deck, to make that big a difference. It might be a decent out against combo if the deck played acceleration, but it simply can’t afford to. Even Molten Rain, which I have in my sideboard, which not only disrupts, but deals 2 damage, often seems too slow.

Also, Mike… have you tried Smash to Smithereens?

]]> By: bigheadjoe http://fivewithflores.com/2009/11/power-to-the-punishing-fire/#comment-1460 bigheadjoe Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:34:00 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=874#comment-1460 Hi, I haven't explored the idea too seriously other than daydreaming about it, and the library computer says "10 Mins Left" in the upper right-hand corner so I don't have much time to elaborate right now. Let me get straight to the point. Why isn't anyone going all the way and abusing both Needlebite Trap AND Punishing Fire in an Extended deck running Grove of the Burnwillows? Dare I say that Jund should make the jump to Extended? Is there any good reason to NOT abuse both cards? Hope you have been enjoying YO! MtG TAPS! BHJ Hi,

I haven’t explored the idea too seriously other than daydreaming about it, and the library computer says “10 Mins Left” in the upper right-hand corner so I don’t have much time to elaborate right now. Let me get straight to the point. Why isn’t anyone going all the way and abusing both Needlebite Trap AND Punishing Fire in an Extended deck running Grove of the Burnwillows? Dare I say that Jund should make the jump to Extended? Is there any good reason to NOT abuse both cards? Hope you have been enjoying YO! MtG TAPS!

BHJ

]]> By: mbowen http://fivewithflores.com/2009/11/power-to-the-punishing-fire/#comment-1458 mbowen Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:09:46 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=874#comment-1458 Excuse the double post... I just double checked the prices on Pithing Needle and the M2010 version is dirt cheap for some reason. Hard to imagine Pithing Needle as a budget card but indeed it is. Excuse the double post… I just double checked the prices on Pithing Needle and the M2010 version is dirt cheap for some reason. Hard to imagine Pithing Needle as a budget card but indeed it is.

]]> By: mbowen http://fivewithflores.com/2009/11/power-to-the-punishing-fire/#comment-1457 mbowen Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:07:30 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=874#comment-1457 <q>The question, really, is whether they are worth exploring since we know we can just play Rubin Zoo, </q> It's worth exploring because there is no viable budget deck in Extended right now and RDW is about as close to budget as you can get these days. Even though Groves have gone up in value a bit, they're still pretty cheap. The maindeck Pithing Needles are really the only expensive cards in the deck and they are cheap compared to 'goyfs and Baneslayers. The question, really, is whether they are worth exploring since we know we can just play Rubin Zoo,

It’s worth exploring because there is no viable budget deck in Extended right now and RDW is about as close to budget as you can get these days. Even though Groves have gone up in value a bit, they’re still pretty cheap. The maindeck Pithing Needles are really the only expensive cards in the deck and they are cheap compared to ‘goyfs and Baneslayers.

]]> By: thepedestrian http://fivewithflores.com/2009/11/power-to-the-punishing-fire/#comment-1456 thepedestrian Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:45:34 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=874#comment-1456 I am of the opinion that blood moon is the sole reason that Kibler won the Pro Tour. It was his X-factor. It stopped decks cold and in the top 8 made his opponents play around in sideboarded games even though he didnt side it in. An early blood moon gives the Bolt deck enough time to draw enough cards to beat the opponent. Also why are you playing threaten when mark of mutiny is a strick upgrade? I am of the opinion that blood moon is the sole reason that Kibler won the Pro Tour. It was his X-factor. It stopped decks cold and in the top 8 made his opponents play around in sideboarded games even though he didnt side it in. An early blood moon gives the Bolt deck enough time to draw enough cards to beat the opponent.

Also why are you playing threaten when mark of mutiny is a strick upgrade?

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