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	<title>Comments on: Imagine a Thornling Wearing a Behemoth Sledge&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Five With Flores &#187; Update: Celestial Purge!</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/06/imagine-a-thornling-wearing-a-behemoth-sledge/#comment-1387</link>
		<dc:creator>Five With Flores &#187; Update: Celestial Purge!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a quick update on this one. I took out Thornling (even though he has been pretty good) for some of the reasons brought up by wobblesthegoose in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Five With Flores &#187; How to Play With Marsh Flats</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/06/imagine-a-thornling-wearing-a-behemoth-sledge/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Five With Flores &#187; How to Play With Marsh Flats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What is the Junk Mana Ramp Deck?  1 Behemoth Sledge [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Five With Flores &#187; Steward of Valeron dot dec &#38; My Files by Zvi</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/06/imagine-a-thornling-wearing-a-behemoth-sledge/#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator>Five With Flores &#187; Steward of Valeron dot dec &#38; My Files by Zvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2 Behemoth Sledge [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Five With Flores &#187; The Return of Chameleon Colossus!</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/06/imagine-a-thornling-wearing-a-behemoth-sledge/#comment-980</link>
		<dc:creator>Five With Flores &#187; The Return of Chameleon Colossus!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I built the deck from Imagine a Thornling Wearing a Behemoth Sledge… just thinking about &#8220;good cards&#8221; rather than its context in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NoblePunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoblePunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please comment on the rules changes. I&#039;ll refrain from soap-boxing, but they make me want to cry.</description>
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		<title>By: StaplerGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>StaplerGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Mike, did you get briefed on combat ahead of time? How does this affect Thornling, who didn&#039;t make it into this sdeck to begin with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Mike, did you get briefed on combat ahead of time? How does this affect Thornling, who didn&#8217;t make it into this sdeck to begin with?</p>
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		<title>By: nathanwonder</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been goofing off with a Naya Ramp deck inspired by the successes of Jund Ramp.  Really I just wanted an excuse to try out Realm Razer.  This turns out to be a pretty bad plan unless I don&#039;t play Wrath of God since my opponent always has more in the Battlefield than I do.  I think a token-type deck with Razer could work, but I don&#039;t see why that would be necessary.

I like this take on G/W Ramp a little better, but it definitely needs to be tweaked for Faeries.  I think we have pretty good anecdotal evidence that Path can be bad in the mirror.  I could see O-Ring being a decent inclusion.

Does this deck beat Jund Ramp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been goofing off with a Naya Ramp deck inspired by the successes of Jund Ramp.  Really I just wanted an excuse to try out Realm Razer.  This turns out to be a pretty bad plan unless I don&#8217;t play Wrath of God since my opponent always has more in the Battlefield than I do.  I think a token-type deck with Razer could work, but I don&#8217;t see why that would be necessary.</p>
<p>I like this take on G/W Ramp a little better, but it definitely needs to be tweaked for Faeries.  I think we have pretty good anecdotal evidence that Path can be bad in the mirror.  I could see O-Ring being a decent inclusion.</p>
<p>Does this deck beat Jund Ramp?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeranimus Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeranimus Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Garruk is given a bad rap. 

Your criticism of the card is justified, why play a two card combo on the off-chance you pump ridonkulus mana on a turn for a big spell? Especially when said mana can result in a crippling blow of card disadvantage and tempo loss by just bouncing/blowing up the enchanted land. 

But there&#039;s another problem that people also don&#039;t take into account when playing the Garruk+Fertile Ground combo, and that&#039;s tunnel vision. This is something that causes folks to be overly focused on/dependent on the mana production combo in order to get things done.  This however, over looks Garruk&#039;s innate card advantage engine in its beast production, 9 power worth of creatures  is nothing to sneeze at, especially if said 9 power comes from only one card, but requires 3 to get rid of. (Maelstrom Pulse being the exception, but that&#039;s just a reason why the pulse is good) Garruk can admirably stand on his own w/o ramping for mana by just pumping out creatures like an Elspeth with an Expiration date. 

In a Jund Ramp deck I play with, I have Garruks, but no Fertile Grounds to speak of. Most of the time, I would drop Garruk on 3, and produce a Beast, The following turns, I probably produced more 3/3s which put increasing pressure on my opponent, especially since most of them didn&#039;t have a Caldera Hellion or Firespout in their 75. Granted, my Jund deck was geared much differently than yours, and thus played a little different. 

I guess I made that long winded post to suggest you cut the Fertile Ground, while keeping the planeswalker. I suggest going with the Jund Ramp package your already familiar with, which in my opinion should work out a lot better than the enchantment based ramp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Garruk is given a bad rap. </p>
<p>Your criticism of the card is justified, why play a two card combo on the off-chance you pump ridonkulus mana on a turn for a big spell? Especially when said mana can result in a crippling blow of card disadvantage and tempo loss by just bouncing/blowing up the enchanted land. </p>
<p>But there&#8217;s another problem that people also don&#8217;t take into account when playing the Garruk+Fertile Ground combo, and that&#8217;s tunnel vision. This is something that causes folks to be overly focused on/dependent on the mana production combo in order to get things done.  This however, over looks Garruk&#8217;s innate card advantage engine in its beast production, 9 power worth of creatures  is nothing to sneeze at, especially if said 9 power comes from only one card, but requires 3 to get rid of. (Maelstrom Pulse being the exception, but that&#8217;s just a reason why the pulse is good) Garruk can admirably stand on his own w/o ramping for mana by just pumping out creatures like an Elspeth with an Expiration date. </p>
<p>In a Jund Ramp deck I play with, I have Garruks, but no Fertile Grounds to speak of. Most of the time, I would drop Garruk on 3, and produce a Beast, The following turns, I probably produced more 3/3s which put increasing pressure on my opponent, especially since most of them didn&#8217;t have a Caldera Hellion or Firespout in their 75. Granted, my Jund deck was geared much differently than yours, and thus played a little different. </p>
<p>I guess I made that long winded post to suggest you cut the Fertile Ground, while keeping the planeswalker. I suggest going with the Jund Ramp package your already familiar with, which in my opinion should work out a lot better than the enchantment based ramp.</p>
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		<title>By: rubbaducky42</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Rhox Meditant actually seems rather insane against Bloodbraid Elf
It&#039;s almost like a Civic Wayfinder</description>
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It&#8217;s almost like a Civic Wayfinder</p>
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