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		<title>By: Five With Flores &#187; Bill Stark on Mike Flores</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-335</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] saves the day! (Top 8 Magic) PTQ Seattle 1-10-09 (TheStarkingtonPost.com) Embracing Certainty (ye olde Five With Flores) Mono-White Control in Extended (also right here, baby!) Show, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] saves the day! (Top 8 Magic) PTQ Seattle 1-10-09 (TheStarkingtonPost.com) Embracing Certainty (ye olde Five With Flores) Mono-White Control in Extended (also right here, baby!) Show, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gifts Ungiven</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Gifts Ungiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may want to redact that phone number there, Mike, lest Scott start getting random calls from friendly people at odd hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to redact that phone number there, Mike, lest Scott start getting random calls from friendly people at odd hours.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-327</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jcaldwell84
Is there any way Joshua Scott would be available to chat / answer some questions before, um, tonight / tomorrow? I&#039;d like to get this in for this week&#039;s Top Decks if at all possible. Thanks in advance and muchos congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jcaldwell84<br />
Is there any way Joshua Scott would be available to chat / answer some questions before, um, tonight / tomorrow? I&#8217;d like to get this in for this week&#8217;s Top Decks if at all possible. Thanks in advance and muchos congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: jcaldwell84</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-325</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops I was wrong about the other lists in Top 8 here is a link to them http://bluegrassmagic.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2766  
but i was off it was 1 MWC 1 Cloud 2 LBW 1 TEPS 2 mono blue 1 zoo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops I was wrong about the other lists in Top 8 here is a link to them <a href="http://bluegrassmagic.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2766" rel="nofollow">http://bluegrassmagic.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2766</a><br />
but i was off it was 1 MWC 1 Cloud 2 LBW 1 TEPS 2 mono blue 1 zoo</p>
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		<title>By: jcaldwell84</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-324</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top 8 was 
1 MWC
3 Mono U
1 Lightning bolt deck
1 affinity
1 zoo
1 cloud varient

Scott was undeafeated through the swiss with a 5-0-2 record (drawing last 2 rnds to get in)  T8 he beat zoo, affinity and mono blue in the finals! The kid didn&#039;t know what to do when he tapped out and got a boil EOT.... He just scooped it up after Crovax hit the board with 4 soldiers on deck....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top 8 was<br />
1 MWC<br />
3 Mono U<br />
1 Lightning bolt deck<br />
1 affinity<br />
1 zoo<br />
1 cloud varient</p>
<p>Scott was undeafeated through the swiss with a 5-0-2 record (drawing last 2 rnds to get in)  T8 he beat zoo, affinity and mono blue in the finals! The kid didn&#8217;t know what to do when he tapped out and got a boil EOT&#8230;. He just scooped it up after Crovax hit the board with 4 soldiers on deck&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jcaldwell84</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-323</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So my teammate and good freind Joshua Scott Honigmann just won the Louisville KY PTQ with MWC version that we had been testing, I had talked to you online about it (cardplayer77)  Here is his PTQ winning deck list!!!  GRATS TO SCOTT AND TEAM www.TheManaScrew.com for having a very good showing 
4 E Dragon
4 Wrath
4 Runed Halo
4 Martyr
4 O-Ring
3 Decree
2 Proclamation
2 Ak&#039;s Vengeance
3 Condemn
2 Crovax
3 Chalice

16 Plains
2 Godless Shrine
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Mistveil Plains
4 Temple of the False God

Sideboard
3 Disenchant
2 Exhalted Angel
2 Angels Grace
2 Gilded Light
3 Boil
3 Extirpate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So my teammate and good freind Joshua Scott Honigmann just won the Louisville KY PTQ with MWC version that we had been testing, I had talked to you online about it (cardplayer77)  Here is his PTQ winning deck list!!!  GRATS TO SCOTT AND TEAM <a href="http://www.TheManaScrew.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.TheManaScrew.com</a> for having a very good showing<br />
4 E Dragon<br />
4 Wrath<br />
4 Runed Halo<br />
4 Martyr<br />
4 O-Ring<br />
3 Decree<br />
2 Proclamation<br />
2 Ak&#8217;s Vengeance<br />
3 Condemn<br />
2 Crovax<br />
3 Chalice</p>
<p>16 Plains<br />
2 Godless Shrine<br />
2 Sacred Foundry<br />
1 Mistveil Plains<br />
4 Temple of the False God</p>
<p>Sideboard<br />
3 Disenchant<br />
2 Exhalted Angel<br />
2 Angels Grace<br />
2 Gilded Light<br />
3 Boil<br />
3 Extirpate</p>
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		<title>By: ReeceP</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>ReeceP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t remember precisely how it happened, just that he had Jitte/V-Clique going. Maybe I kept a bad hand, maybe I blew my load too early on Vengeance and played into Mana Leak.

As for my list, it&#039;s the same as the one you posted a couple posts ago:

4 Martyr of Sands
4 Eternal Dragon
2 Crovax

3 Chalice
4 Mana Tithe
4 Wrath of God
4 Akroma&#039;s Vengeance
4 Proclamation of Rebirth
2 Decree of Justice
3 Oblivion Ring

2 Urza&#039;s Factory
2 Desert
4 Temple of the False God
18 Plains

1 Boseiju
1 Chalice
1 Crovax
4 Condemn
4 Unmake
4 Kataki

The only difference is I added two Deserts - and that was because I didn&#039;t have enough Plains in my account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember precisely how it happened, just that he had Jitte/V-Clique going. Maybe I kept a bad hand, maybe I blew my load too early on Vengeance and played into Mana Leak.</p>
<p>As for my list, it&#8217;s the same as the one you posted a couple posts ago:</p>
<p>4 Martyr of Sands<br />
4 Eternal Dragon<br />
2 Crovax</p>
<p>3 Chalice<br />
4 Mana Tithe<br />
4 Wrath of God<br />
4 Akroma&#8217;s Vengeance<br />
4 Proclamation of Rebirth<br />
2 Decree of Justice<br />
3 Oblivion Ring</p>
<p>2 Urza&#8217;s Factory<br />
2 Desert<br />
4 Temple of the False God<br />
18 Plains</p>
<p>1 Boseiju<br />
1 Chalice<br />
1 Crovax<br />
4 Condemn<br />
4 Unmake<br />
4 Kataki</p>
<p>The only difference is I added two Deserts &#8211; and that was because I didn&#8217;t have enough Plains in my account.</p>
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		<title>By: orazey</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>orazey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was recently playing chess against some of the regulars at the local pub (being the designated driver) and decided to try something new.

when i comes to both MTG and chess im usually a reactive defensive player who might take a bit of time to to consider any moves and possible outcomes, but after (years of) loosing i have found a rather strange trait in most of my opponents.

as they make a move thats not that dangerous, if i respond with a move (one i though of while they were considering or just a random nonimportant move) i rapid succession to theirs, they start to lose it after a few turns (thus making mistakes), whereas if i took my time they tend to get rather cocky and selfconfident. Five of the my six opponents that night lost and i have then tried to apply the same strategy to MTG, but have found some difficulties as i oftent react to what is put into play (having played too much contol), but having mused over the problem i have found some ways to get myself by the problem.

plan your next turn course of action, as you pass your turn to your opponent

if in dout, dont think, but stick to your plan

know your win condition (in the before mentioned control deck it was, tap blockers, dammage and if possible getting more turn through the sacrifice of merfolk to Wanderwine Prophets) and focus on it if possible

keep your turns short and overwhelming while never tapping out all lands as this will force your opponent to consider a nonexisting threat in your hand

hope anyone could benefit from this and i would appreciate any imput or lessons learned on the subject

Regards
Oliver</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was recently playing chess against some of the regulars at the local pub (being the designated driver) and decided to try something new.</p>
<p>when i comes to both MTG and chess im usually a reactive defensive player who might take a bit of time to to consider any moves and possible outcomes, but after (years of) loosing i have found a rather strange trait in most of my opponents.</p>
<p>as they make a move thats not that dangerous, if i respond with a move (one i though of while they were considering or just a random nonimportant move) i rapid succession to theirs, they start to lose it after a few turns (thus making mistakes), whereas if i took my time they tend to get rather cocky and selfconfident. Five of the my six opponents that night lost and i have then tried to apply the same strategy to MTG, but have found some difficulties as i oftent react to what is put into play (having played too much contol), but having mused over the problem i have found some ways to get myself by the problem.</p>
<p>plan your next turn course of action, as you pass your turn to your opponent</p>
<p>if in dout, dont think, but stick to your plan</p>
<p>know your win condition (in the before mentioned control deck it was, tap blockers, dammage and if possible getting more turn through the sacrifice of merfolk to Wanderwine Prophets) and focus on it if possible</p>
<p>keep your turns short and overwhelming while never tapping out all lands as this will force your opponent to consider a nonexisting threat in your hand</p>
<p>hope anyone could benefit from this and i would appreciate any imput or lessons learned on the subject</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Oliver</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GavinV
Thanks for the praise. I intend to be able to flesh this out throughout the season. This is the &quot;Stages&quot; of 2009, I think... Something I touched on when I was playing at my best, but now more concrete. Josh and I talked about it on Friday and he said &quot;There&#039;s nothing wrong with having to have something spelled out for you.&quot;

@ReeceP
On the one hand, Mistveil Plains is, in fact, a more reliable version of that strategy (it is truly infinite, can&#039;t be countered, &amp;c.). However the really powerful aspect is when you go into a super long game against certain strategies. Multiple Plains in play allows you to completely escape interaction with Vendilion Clique AND script your draws -- while drawing multiple threats -- every turn. 

If you don&#039;t mind, can you post the list you were playing?

I simply can&#039;t imagine losing to a Jitte with this deck (keep in mind I am _ALSO_ not trying to cock-ily call YOU out)... Just not the kind of card you lose to with Martyrs and Akroma&#039;s Vengeance.

I&#039;ve never lost a match to the Blue Fae deck on MTGO. Most of the time they don&#039;t realize what is happening and time out. Sounds more like you lost to the double mull than the Jitte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GavinV<br />
Thanks for the praise. I intend to be able to flesh this out throughout the season. This is the &#8220;Stages&#8221; of 2009, I think&#8230; Something I touched on when I was playing at my best, but now more concrete. Josh and I talked about it on Friday and he said &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing wrong with having to have something spelled out for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>@ReeceP<br />
On the one hand, Mistveil Plains is, in fact, a more reliable version of that strategy (it is truly infinite, can&#8217;t be countered, &#038;c.). However the really powerful aspect is when you go into a super long game against certain strategies. Multiple Plains in play allows you to completely escape interaction with Vendilion Clique AND script your draws &#8212; while drawing multiple threats &#8212; every turn. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t mind, can you post the list you were playing?</p>
<p>I simply can&#8217;t imagine losing to a Jitte with this deck (keep in mind I am _ALSO_ not trying to cock-ily call YOU out)&#8230; Just not the kind of card you lose to with Martyrs and Akroma&#8217;s Vengeance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never lost a match to the Blue Fae deck on MTGO. Most of the time they don&#8217;t realize what is happening and time out. Sounds more like you lost to the double mull than the Jitte.</p>
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		<title>By: ReeceP</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/embracing-certainty/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>ReeceP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I may say something without the cocky attempt to call you out:

The Mistveil Plains addition to the white deck - you add good cards to your deck, then reshuffle with Eternal Dragon, drawing lands out and giving you a chance to draw better cards, specifically the cards you put on the bottom of your deck...this strikes me as an Extended applicaton of the &quot;artificial intelligence&quot; strategy Adrian Sullivan was talking about with Gaea&#039;s Blessing in his Teachings deck of that era.

Would you consider this an accurate way to describe how Mistveil Plains fits into the strategy of the MWC deck?

Also, I lost to the blue deck on Modo due to an unopposed jitte. Would you be able to post your strategy on how to beat it? I won game 1 with superior mana development into Crovax (which he couldn&#039;t stop in any way) but I wasn&#039;t able to establish that board in game 2, and I double mulled in game 3 and wasn&#039;t quite able to come back. I think the way I played game 1 was pretty good, so I&#039;m looking for sideboarding advice and post-board plan (if it differs at all)

Thanks,
Reece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may say something without the cocky attempt to call you out:</p>
<p>The Mistveil Plains addition to the white deck &#8211; you add good cards to your deck, then reshuffle with Eternal Dragon, drawing lands out and giving you a chance to draw better cards, specifically the cards you put on the bottom of your deck&#8230;this strikes me as an Extended applicaton of the &#8220;artificial intelligence&#8221; strategy Adrian Sullivan was talking about with Gaea&#8217;s Blessing in his Teachings deck of that era.</p>
<p>Would you consider this an accurate way to describe how Mistveil Plains fits into the strategy of the MWC deck?</p>
<p>Also, I lost to the blue deck on Modo due to an unopposed jitte. Would you be able to post your strategy on how to beat it? I won game 1 with superior mana development into Crovax (which he couldn&#8217;t stop in any way) but I wasn&#8217;t able to establish that board in game 2, and I double mulled in game 3 and wasn&#8217;t quite able to come back. I think the way I played game 1 was pretty good, so I&#8217;m looking for sideboarding advice and post-board plan (if it differs at all)</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Reece</p>
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