Comments on: Critical Mass Again http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/ Where you learn to love what Mike Flores loves Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:08:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Bliss crater http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-459 Bliss crater Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:56:22 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-459 Agree on the Sigil of Distinction being an option. I've been trying 4 Noble Hierarchs in place of the tribe elders and lemme tell ya, they're golden. She makes the deck more redundant and tight allowing for more consistent turn 2 finks, trinks and cliques. She also exalts your attacker; often serving as an additional Okina! 2 Okinas running at once, can you imagine?! :P This deck is highly exciting to me, mainly because i'm a sucker for a bird chopping away at the opponent with a blade. I think it will definitely be evolving tho.....*eyes kitchen finks* Agree on the Sigil of Distinction being an option.

I’ve been trying 4 Noble Hierarchs in place of the tribe elders and lemme tell ya, they’re golden. She makes the deck more redundant and tight allowing for more consistent turn 2 finks, trinks and cliques. She also exalts your attacker; often serving as an additional Okina! 2 Okinas running at once, can you imagine?! :P

This deck is highly exciting to me, mainly because i’m a sucker for a bird chopping away at the opponent with a blade. I think it will definitely be evolving tho…..*eyes kitchen finks*

]]> By: wobblesthegoose http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-455 wobblesthegoose Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:45:29 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-455 Speaking of massive mana, you really want a Sigil of Distinction in there in place of one of your swords to be able to demonfire out your opponent. The fact that it gives your late trinket mage another target is also awesome. Speaking of massive mana, you really want a Sigil of Distinction in there in place of one of your swords to be able to demonfire out your opponent.

The fact that it gives your late trinket mage another target is also awesome.

]]> By: mason http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-453 mason Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:27:06 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-453 UG Haterator... nice. This deck generates so much mana - unlike Wizards you can comfortably run 4 Archmage. Seems really amazing vs the Wizards deck since it isn't the end of the world if it gets Shackled (comes back to you after it Persists, and you have so few non-creature spells). Then you can go down to 1 Chalice and drop the miser's Arashi. UG Haterator… nice.

This deck generates so much mana - unlike Wizards you can comfortably run 4 Archmage. Seems really amazing vs the Wizards deck since it isn’t the end of the world if it gets Shackled (comes back to you after it Persists, and you have so few non-creature spells). Then you can go down to 1 Chalice and drop the miser’s Arashi.

]]> By: kenseiden http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-452 kenseiden Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:07:36 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-452 hello Mike, long time no see! I have been hidden in the shadows just reading (some of) your post, but not commenting them. Good thing that more people are present in the forums now. I dont know about other people, but I get really confused when I see a new deck list. I mean, I love the iniciative and the will to break the format, but I fear im looking to ANOTHER deck to worry about. And dont get me started: as any potential ptq player, its ANOTHER deck to test against a even bigger gauntlet, another deck to improve, etc. I mean, its a lot of work! Looking forward to some playtesting, games reporst, the like. Stay tooned! hello Mike, long time no see! I have been hidden in the shadows just reading (some of) your post, but not commenting them. Good thing that more people are present in the forums now.

I dont know about other people, but I get really confused when I see a new deck list. I mean, I love the iniciative and the will to break the format, but I fear im looking to ANOTHER deck to worry about. And dont get me started: as any potential ptq player, its ANOTHER deck to test against a even bigger gauntlet, another deck to improve, etc. I mean, its a lot of work!

Looking forward to some playtesting, games reporst, the like. Stay tooned!

]]> By: GRat http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-451 GRat Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:20:31 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-451 I like it. I wouldn't be opposed to testing this at PSU in the next week or two. <3 I like it. I wouldn’t be opposed to testing this at PSU in the next week or two.

<3

]]> By: Diego http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-450 Diego Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:06:35 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-450 I don't think this decks is competitive at all, the deck is base blue, wich mono blue is best, you only run green to play tribe elder and finks, wich aren't needed with the present metagame. Cards like Ancient grudge and Tarmogoyf are splashable. I just see this as an effort by michaelj to win against faeries (Arashi), but this strategy won't make it. I like your blog a lot, please keep it up. -D I don’t think this decks is competitive at all, the deck is base blue, wich mono blue is best, you only run green to play tribe elder and finks, wich aren’t needed with the present metagame. Cards like Ancient grudge and Tarmogoyf are splashable. I just see this as an effort by michaelj to win against faeries (Arashi), but this strategy won’t make it.

I like your blog a lot, please keep it up.

-D

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-449 admin Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:09:10 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-449 @bk I don't really care what a bk says so much as he says it :) That said... I dunno about burn. Seems like they are a Kamigawa/Mirrodin deck that I always beat with this kind of a Kamigawa/Mirrodin deck back in the day. Storm you DEFINITELY beat. I don't want to hear it from you regardless of what I said with that first line. Game One against Affinity you are at a disadvantage. It's not an insurmountable one but you really don't like them to draw multiple Masters (which I hear you don't even play). Sideboarded I have never had a problem. All-in I will take your action, bro. Engineered Explosives, Venser, chump blockers, and Echoing Truth? Are you sure on your position? Half the time I have a Protection from Red Birds on D while I whittle away with another attacker + equips. This deck plays three copies of a card that All-in can never beat. And remember no one likes All-in more than YT. You can definitely beat Cloud I don't know what you're talking about. They can beat you too. Glen Elendra + Progenitus and anything beats their weak offense. XOXO, Gossip Girl @bk
I don’t really care what a bk says so much as he says it :)

That said…

I dunno about burn. Seems like they are a Kamigawa/Mirrodin deck that I always beat with this kind of a Kamigawa/Mirrodin deck back in the day.

Storm you DEFINITELY beat. I don’t want to hear it from you regardless of what I said with that first line.

Game One against Affinity you are at a disadvantage. It’s not an insurmountable one but you really don’t like them to draw multiple Masters (which I hear you don’t even play). Sideboarded I have never had a problem.

All-in I will take your action, bro. Engineered Explosives, Venser, chump blockers, and Echoing Truth? Are you sure on your position? Half the time I have a Protection from Red Birds on D while I whittle away with another attacker + equips. This deck plays three copies of a card that All-in can never beat. And remember no one likes All-in more than YT.

You can definitely beat Cloud I don’t know what you’re talking about. They can beat you too. Glen Elendra + Progenitus and anything beats their weak offense.

XOXO, Gossip Girl

]]> By: bk http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-448 bk Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:01:39 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-448 this block meaning extended of course :) this block meaning extended of course :)

]]> By: bk http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-447 bk Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:01:10 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-447 You're really tempting me with the idea of a UG deck in this block. I mean an aggressive deck that plays Sakura Tribe Elder? Where do I sign? I don't think this one is really it though. I think it seems pretty weak vs. affinity, all in red and burn. I don't buy that this deck beats storm either. This deck probably beats Mike Jacob style BG, but I don't think it could buy a win vs. Cloud. All this said, I'll probably steal liberally from this list at some point in this season when I decide a UG deck has to be the answer to the format. Mine will probably run some big hairy planeswalkers that you'll hate. 4 breeding pools? Seems like a lot in a deck that never needs more than 2 of either color. I'd play more sack lands or filters. I'd definitely make some of this manabase attack my opponent too. You’re really tempting me with the idea of a UG deck in this block. I mean an aggressive deck that plays Sakura Tribe Elder? Where do I sign? I don’t think this one is really it though. I think it seems pretty weak vs. affinity, all in red and burn. I don’t buy that this deck beats storm either. This deck probably beats Mike Jacob style BG, but I don’t think it could buy a win vs. Cloud. All this said, I’ll probably steal liberally from this list at some point in this season when I decide a UG deck has to be the answer to the format. Mine will probably run some big hairy planeswalkers that you’ll hate.

4 breeding pools? Seems like a lot in a deck that never needs more than 2 of either color. I’d play more sack lands or filters. I’d definitely make some of this manabase attack my opponent too.

]]> By: Joe http://fivewithflores.com/2009/01/critical-mass-again/#comment-446 Joe Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:13:28 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=405#comment-446 If you're considering Noble Hierarch, then it's for his damage bonus through Exalted yes? But does it really make the difference over Birds? Sakura is usually on the defense and Glen is swinging for 3 sure, but if it's against a deck where it might matter like Wizards, then they're running Riptide Lab anyways, so the point becomes moot. And Sword pounds 2/2s anyways, but only if it gets in there and it's much more likely to do so on Birds. As for the Exalted winning you Goyf battles, you already have some of the best equipment out there to win. And since we're talking about Conflux, you could also just Path to Exile their Goyf and not even worry about it. Also, and this may seem silly, but I like Rhox War Monk over Kitchen Finks. Everyone disagrees with me so it's probably wrong, but it just seems like a 3/4 Lifelink who not only beats Kitchen Finks in a fight but also gets away from practically every direct damage spell out there while gaining you more life than Finks if it gets in a swing or two.....Seems good. If you’re considering Noble Hierarch, then it’s for his damage bonus through Exalted yes? But does it really make the difference over Birds? Sakura is usually on the defense and Glen is swinging for 3 sure, but if it’s against a deck where it might matter like Wizards, then they’re running Riptide Lab anyways, so the point becomes moot. And Sword pounds 2/2s anyways, but only if it gets in there and it’s much more likely to do so on Birds. As for the Exalted winning you Goyf battles, you already have some of the best equipment out there to win. And since we’re talking about Conflux, you could also just Path to Exile their Goyf and not even worry about it. Also, and this may seem silly, but I like Rhox War Monk over Kitchen Finks. Everyone disagrees with me so it’s probably wrong, but it just seems like a 3/4 Lifelink who not only beats Kitchen Finks in a fight but also gets away from practically every direct damage spell out there while gaining you more life than Finks if it gets in a swing or two…..Seems good.

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