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		<title>By: JrodtheTitan</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-466</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow it seems I overlooked Celestial Purge by a very big margin. It is definitely available to be put into the deck due to its many uses. 

I also put in the Flamekin Harbinger for the Forge Tender and let me tell you, it's pretty nice to Lark into a Lark numerous times. I am also trying to figure out how to either get a play set of Spectral Processions or Path to Exile or, now, Celestial Purge, in the deck. All seem viable options.

When I saw Path to Exile I said, that's my answer to Sower. But at the same time Spectral Processions is the answer to faeries in general. Right now I figure I can deal with removing the rest of Redcaps, and a Finks. That leaves four spots open to be played around with. 

I was wondering if you would consider putting up a video of you playing this deck against a faeries deck. I plan to find a bunch of faeries and play test my heart out against them as well but watching you would help make some decisions.

Thanks again Mike!

Oh and yea, Boobie needs to do something this year. It kind of stinks he is stuck playing behind a hot Mo Williams a lot this year.

-Jarrod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow it seems I overlooked Celestial Purge by a very big margin. It is definitely available to be put into the deck due to its many uses. </p>
<p>I also put in the Flamekin Harbinger for the Forge Tender and let me tell you, it&#8217;s pretty nice to Lark into a Lark numerous times. I am also trying to figure out how to either get a play set of Spectral Processions or Path to Exile or, now, Celestial Purge, in the deck. All seem viable options.</p>
<p>When I saw Path to Exile I said, that&#8217;s my answer to Sower. But at the same time Spectral Processions is the answer to faeries in general. Right now I figure I can deal with removing the rest of Redcaps, and a Finks. That leaves four spots open to be played around with. </p>
<p>I was wondering if you would consider putting up a video of you playing this deck against a faeries deck. I plan to find a bunch of faeries and play test my heart out against them as well but watching you would help make some decisions.</p>
<p>Thanks again Mike!</p>
<p>Oh and yea, Boobie needs to do something this year. It kind of stinks he is stuck playing behind a hot Mo Williams a lot this year.</p>
<p>-Jarrod</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-461</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JrodtheTitan
Hey Jarrod! I think Path to Exile might be a very good addition to the deck. Its worst opponent is Fae with four Sower of Temptation, and Path to Exile helps deal with that in a couple of different ways. I wouldn't underrate the anti-Bitterblossom technology of Celestial Purge, which is practical against Figure of Destiny in Kithkin, Demigod of Revenge in the Red Deck, and Awesome Blossom everywhere. That said, I have not played any Standard to speak of since the Extended season began, and I have absolutely no games with the new set under my belt.

As for Boobie... Boy of my dreams that he may be, he needs to tighten up this year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JrodtheTitan<br />
Hey Jarrod! I think Path to Exile might be a very good addition to the deck. Its worst opponent is Fae with four Sower of Temptation, and Path to Exile helps deal with that in a couple of different ways. I wouldn&#8217;t underrate the anti-Bitterblossom technology of Celestial Purge, which is practical against Figure of Destiny in Kithkin, Demigod of Revenge in the Red Deck, and Awesome Blossom everywhere. That said, I have not played any Standard to speak of since the Extended season began, and I have absolutely no games with the new set under my belt.</p>
<p>As for Boobie&#8230; Boy of my dreams that he may be, he needs to tighten up this year!</p>
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		<title>By: JrodtheTitan</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>JrodtheTitan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, 

I just have  a quick question for you about the Vengeant Reveillark deck.

Would you change anything since you posted it here? Especially with the new set hitting, Conflux, the only real card worthy of being put in would be Path to Exile. And in that case would you main deck it or throw it in the side board? Or would you even consider not using it at all? 

It is such a great card for W to remove creature from game and give them a land. It even helps further the argument of Knight of the White Orchid. Just curious, I really want to run Path to Exile just don't know whether it should be main decked.

I guess it was more then one question and for that I apologize =P

-Jarrod (Huge Cavs fan, Boobie Gibson is amazing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, </p>
<p>I just have  a quick question for you about the Vengeant Reveillark deck.</p>
<p>Would you change anything since you posted it here? Especially with the new set hitting, Conflux, the only real card worthy of being put in would be Path to Exile. And in that case would you main deck it or throw it in the side board? Or would you even consider not using it at all? </p>
<p>It is such a great card for W to remove creature from game and give them a land. It even helps further the argument of Knight of the White Orchid. Just curious, I really want to run Path to Exile just don&#8217;t know whether it should be main decked.</p>
<p>I guess it was more then one question and for that I apologize =P</p>
<p>-Jarrod (Huge Cavs fan, Boobie Gibson is amazing)</p>
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		<title>By: Gifts Ungiven</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Gifts Ungiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What’s a good way to learn sideboarding?"

Although one need not build a sideboard strategy this way each time, I recommend learning via the approach of "building the deck for each matchup." I'm sure this has been written up many times (probably including an article somewhere by our esteemed host here), but I can point you at this recent article by Zaiem Beg:

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?id=8001

If you want to see my application of this approach with a pretty, colorized spreadsheet:

http://www.giftsungiven.com/2008/11/in_the_intersection_a_deck.html

The benefit of thinking of sideboarding in this way is that it's no longer an issue of staring at a core deck and not quite knowing what to do with it. Instead, you know what cards need to be switched around to make the /version/ of your deck that will work best for a given matchup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What’s a good way to learn sideboarding?&#8221;</p>
<p>Although one need not build a sideboard strategy this way each time, I recommend learning via the approach of &#8220;building the deck for each matchup.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure this has been written up many times (probably including an article somewhere by our esteemed host here), but I can point you at this recent article by Zaiem Beg:</p>
<p><a href="http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?id=8001" rel="nofollow">http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?id=8001</a></p>
<p>If you want to see my application of this approach with a pretty, colorized spreadsheet:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.giftsungiven.com/2008/11/in_the_intersection_a_deck.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.giftsungiven.com/2008/11/in_the_intersection_a_deck.html</a></p>
<p>The benefit of thinking of sideboarding in this way is that it&#8217;s no longer an issue of staring at a core deck and not quite knowing what to do with it. Instead, you know what cards need to be switched around to make the /version/ of your deck that will work best for a given matchup.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanatos6</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-167</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been meaning to make this deck for a while, but now that there's debate of adding spectral procession and harbinger I'm slightly confused as to what to go with. I think I'll stick to the list you posted, though. I like how the redcaps interact with the commander.

I'm most concerned about sideboarding as well. I have no clue what to do. Specifically, I never know what exactly to take out. It seems like the only things you'd ever need to side out for is gutteral response for Fae and 5cc. However, what exactly do you side out? The redcaps and the forge-tender? Even though I suck at sideboarding, this deck seems alright if you don't even sideboard at all which might help me heh. What's a good way to learn sideboarding?

Also, thanks a lot. Your video reinforced how much I wanted to make this deck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to make this deck for a while, but now that there&#8217;s debate of adding spectral procession and harbinger I&#8217;m slightly confused as to what to go with. I think I&#8217;ll stick to the list you posted, though. I like how the redcaps interact with the commander.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m most concerned about sideboarding as well. I have no clue what to do. Specifically, I never know what exactly to take out. It seems like the only things you&#8217;d ever need to side out for is gutteral response for Fae and 5cc. However, what exactly do you side out? The redcaps and the forge-tender? Even though I suck at sideboarding, this deck seems alright if you don&#8217;t even sideboard at all which might help me heh. What&#8217;s a good way to learn sideboarding?</p>
<p>Also, thanks a lot. Your video reinforced how much I wanted to make this deck.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-163</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am so good!

i've been thinking about spectral procession for a while too. it's one of the best white cards and i'm not playing it. might make the deck worse against 5cc. i really liked the persisters against that deck and osyp's plan involves removing 4 our of 7 of them. the deck was built along the idea of incremental advantage. i'm not so sure procession falls along that plan but it might just be so good that we're dumb for not running it. finks i've always felt like were perfect for the deck. a great aggro creature vs. control and a great speed bump vs. aggro. the guy has midrange control written all over him. redcap is like ajani jr right. i thought he was awesome vs. opposing kitchen finks and most forms of aggro and you can double sack him to siege gang.

also considered the harbinger when i was putting the deck together, but i guess i just thought it would somehow make the deck less consistent. like you really never run out of action. you never want to draw that guy on the early turns. i told osyp that if you go the harbinger route you might want to cut a lark since one of the complaints about the deck has been too many 5 drops. i'm fine with a late game ranger into double figure if i'm sitting on high mana.

nobody really knows how good or  bad the fae matchup is. osyp thinks the pro guys aren't worth siding in against them. so he appears to think the deck is fairly potent against them. 

cutting forge tender i'm not so sure about. i've had him on board against red allowing some pretty brave attacks with the firm belief that they could not possibly burn me out. also lets not forget that most of the sweep spells currently being played are red based damage. that said he might be unnecessary if we put the extra stopping power of spectral procession in the deck. SP helps us not at all vs. the sweep spells though. i would think you'd want the forge tender backup with that card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am so good!</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve been thinking about spectral procession for a while too. it&#8217;s one of the best white cards and i&#8217;m not playing it. might make the deck worse against 5cc. i really liked the persisters against that deck and osyp&#8217;s plan involves removing 4 our of 7 of them. the deck was built along the idea of incremental advantage. i&#8217;m not so sure procession falls along that plan but it might just be so good that we&#8217;re dumb for not running it. finks i&#8217;ve always felt like were perfect for the deck. a great aggro creature vs. control and a great speed bump vs. aggro. the guy has midrange control written all over him. redcap is like ajani jr right. i thought he was awesome vs. opposing kitchen finks and most forms of aggro and you can double sack him to siege gang.</p>
<p>also considered the harbinger when i was putting the deck together, but i guess i just thought it would somehow make the deck less consistent. like you really never run out of action. you never want to draw that guy on the early turns. i told osyp that if you go the harbinger route you might want to cut a lark since one of the complaints about the deck has been too many 5 drops. i&#8217;m fine with a late game ranger into double figure if i&#8217;m sitting on high mana.</p>
<p>nobody really knows how good or  bad the fae matchup is. osyp thinks the pro guys aren&#8217;t worth siding in against them. so he appears to think the deck is fairly potent against them. </p>
<p>cutting forge tender i&#8217;m not so sure about. i&#8217;ve had him on board against red allowing some pretty brave attacks with the firm belief that they could not possibly burn me out. also lets not forget that most of the sweep spells currently being played are red based damage. that said he might be unnecessary if we put the extra stopping power of spectral procession in the deck. SP helps us not at all vs. the sweep spells though. i would think you&#8217;d want the forge tender backup with that card.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-162</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ tartarsauce
Yes you are a terrible person, but at least you win a lot.

The question is what kind of Fae deck are you? Do you play 3-4 main deck Sower of Temptation? The Vengeant Reveillark deck is robust and can beat any kind of deck; the same can be said for Fae. However Fae is the worst matchup for Vengeant Reveillark, particularly the kind with lots of Sowers. If you play Cliques instead it is much easier on the Boat-Brew.

Osyp barely sideboarded. Gutteral Response is for Fae and Reflecting Pool Control (obviously). Kowal sided Wrath of God against Kithkin but with the transformative sideboard I don't think Osyp really ever brought those in -- I will ask him.

@ wobblethegoose
Glad you liked it!

@ Gifts Ungiven
Thanks for the links. I was not aware of that event or the pre-existing Harbinger tech.

@ enzoreal
You sure have a lot of questions!

1) I like it a lot.
2) I would probably sideboard one still.
3) See the above... The deck doesn't sideboard much.
4) As you can see... nope!
5) It can, but Fae is the roughest matchup.
6) I am not "sure" but Spectral Procession sure is a great card, especially against Fae. It is almost impossible to Spellstutter Sprite early, and if you draw two, they are in a lot of problems. Spectral Procession + Windbrisk Heights is just so strong v. decks like my beloved Blightning Beatdown.

Thanks for your comments everybody!

LOVE
MIKE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ tartarsauce<br />
Yes you are a terrible person, but at least you win a lot.</p>
<p>The question is what kind of Fae deck are you? Do you play 3-4 main deck Sower of Temptation? The Vengeant Reveillark deck is robust and can beat any kind of deck; the same can be said for Fae. However Fae is the worst matchup for Vengeant Reveillark, particularly the kind with lots of Sowers. If you play Cliques instead it is much easier on the Boat-Brew.</p>
<p>Osyp barely sideboarded. Gutteral Response is for Fae and Reflecting Pool Control (obviously). Kowal sided Wrath of God against Kithkin but with the transformative sideboard I don&#8217;t think Osyp really ever brought those in &#8212; I will ask him.</p>
<p>@ wobblethegoose<br />
Glad you liked it!</p>
<p>@ Gifts Ungiven<br />
Thanks for the links. I was not aware of that event or the pre-existing Harbinger tech.</p>
<p>@ enzoreal<br />
You sure have a lot of questions!</p>
<p>1) I like it a lot.<br />
2) I would probably sideboard one still.<br />
3) See the above&#8230; The deck doesn&#8217;t sideboard much.<br />
4) As you can see&#8230; nope!<br />
5) It can, but Fae is the roughest matchup.<br />
6) I am not &#8220;sure&#8221; but Spectral Procession sure is a great card, especially against Fae. It is almost impossible to Spellstutter Sprite early, and if you draw two, they are in a lot of problems. Spectral Procession + Windbrisk Heights is just so strong v. decks like my beloved Blightning Beatdown.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments everybody!</p>
<p>LOVE<br />
MIKE</p>
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		<title>By: enzoreal</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>enzoreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are u sure about spectral procession in place of 3 redcap and 1 finks?</description>
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		<title>By: enzoreal</title>
		<link>http://fivewithflores.com/2008/12/vengeant-reveillark/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>enzoreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this deck can beat faeries?</description>
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		<title>By: enzoreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>enzoreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no wispmare or o rings in sb?</description>
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