Comments on: You Make the Play – How Do You Spend Your Thoughtseize?

By: hudnall56

hudnall56 — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:00:58 +0000

I would say the Gift. He has plenty of land already and the Civic Wayfinder is the easiest creature for us to deal with. Gift gives him the best opportunity to find a Chameleon or a Cloudthresher and, seeing how as he took game 2 on the back of the green fatties, I want to try and keep those cards out of his hand.

I’m guessing that our hand has a turn 2 Bitterblossom or something as we otherwise would probably hold off on casting Thoughtsieze until turn 2 in order to give us a better chance of nabbing something relevant.

By: Five With Flores » Thoughtseize v. Rampant Growth - Fight!

Five With Flores » Thoughtseize v. Rampant Growth - Fight! — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:11 +0000

[...] is the follow-up to “You Make the Play – How Do You Spend Your Thoughtseize?” … a discussion as to which card a first-turn Thoughtseize SHOULD take given these [...]

By: JosephM

JosephM — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:31:48 +0000

i would say gift. it’s the only thing that can draw this n00b (;P) any threats besides his main step. so i take gift here, knowing that he can’t created conventional “threats” without it.

By: jmgh

jmgh — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:23:12 +0000

Surely I choose Gift because the card advantaje of this spell it’s awesome.

With this option, at 90% it’s a 3×1 for only one mana and 2 life…

By: ProdigalT

ProdigalT — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:28:44 +0000

Mostly, I’d feel annoyed for wasting my Toughtsieze on that hand, but I’d take Gift – it’s clearly the most powerful card in your hand. Rampant Growth speeds you up faster, but since you have no other threats, there’s no guarantee you’re going to draw another. But Gift sure makes it more likely.

By: kenseiden

kenseiden — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:05:48 +0000

I’d just say “GO”!

Whoops, wrong thread! Gift is my choice here.

I don’t care about Rampant Growth or Civic Wayfinder. If I could go back in time I would even WAIT for a third turn Thoughtseize, assuming he would be in his second turn, waiting for a better chance to hit a Kitchen Finks/Thresher/Colossus.

By: Private_Dream

Private_Dream — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:31:06 +0000

Thats an interesting one. Id forget about Growth right at the start – its not achieving anything, he will still play his 3cc drop/accelerator on turn 3. It seems that he is banking on a Gift getting something wrecking like thresher to stop you, and at first glance that would be my pick in the vacuum.

However:
1) you are on the play, its unlikely he will be able to play threaths till you have 4 lands in play, and you have 2 turns to get some bitterblossom/cliques/whatever into play and just counter his play on t4 (either by hard counter or mistbinding)
2) Gift is essentially just a card advantage play, but doesnt do much vs tempo play, while civic wayfinder accelerates you into possible turn4 thresher and also puts some minimal threat on the table.

With above in mind, i am definately taking civic wayfinder if i have hand with something like bitter/spellstutter/command/misbind in it. Odds are he wont be able to do anything before its too late for him to com back. If i have more of a slow/control hand i am taking gargantuan.

By: Gifts Ungiven

Gifts Ungiven — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:53:15 +0000

Absent knowing what’s in my own hand, I take the Gift. The Wayfinder and Growth both ramp the opponent’s deck up, but don’t get them to threat mana before I get to Cryptic Mana. Wayfinder dies nicely to Agony Warp, and the Warp won’t be much use against the bigger threats that the Gift will grab.

If the sequence of plays is:

Me: Thoughtseize
Them: Land
Me: Bitterblossom
Them: Rampant Growth

I’m fine with that, and I prefer that they not be able to dig four cards deeper into their deck for a threat and a land on turn three.

By: jbh2989

jbh2989 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:34:18 +0000

You definitely take the Gifts there. Not only is Gifts a 2-for-1 in itself, but it also represents another possible threat he could find with it.

By: Levi

Levi — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:09:20 +0000

I take the civic wayfinder. I think that he took the gift.

It might change depending on whats in my hand.