Comments on: Jund Mana Ramp at the New York State Championships http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/ Where you learn to love what Mike Flores loves Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:38:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Five With Flores » Detailed Jund Mana Ramp Testing http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-761 Five With Flores » Detailed Jund Mana Ramp Testing Sun, 10 May 2009 06:02:07 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-761 [...] (aka @sloppystack), Brian David-Marshall (aka BDM aka @Top8Games), and I did some playtesting with Jund Mana Ramp earlier this week. This post is going to be relatively detailed information on that testing, but [...] [...] (aka @sloppystack), Brian David-Marshall (aka BDM aka @Top8Games), and I did some playtesting with Jund Mana Ramp earlier this week. This post is going to be relatively detailed information on that testing, but [...]

]]> By: Top 8 Magic » Jund Mana Ramp Test List http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-754 Top 8 Magic » Jund Mana Ramp Test List Thu, 07 May 2009 15:15:12 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-754 [...] for those of you paying attention at home, this is very much like my States-era Jund Mana Ramp deck, but with a threat base Brian Kowal would appreciate more and a Mannequin sub-theme (thanks [...] [...] for those of you paying attention at home, this is very much like my States-era Jund Mana Ramp deck, but with a threat base Brian Kowal would appreciate more and a Mannequin sub-theme (thanks [...]

]]> By: Five With Flores » Alara Reborn - Putrid Leech http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-696 Five With Flores » Alara Reborn - Putrid Leech Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:08:30 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-696 [...] first pass Lord of Extinction deck from Top 8 Magic with my Bloodbraid Elf ideas, crossed with my Jund Ramp deck from 2008 States, inspired by my Charleston Batman [...] [...] first pass Lord of Extinction deck from Top 8 Magic with my Bloodbraid Elf ideas, crossed with my Jund Ramp deck from 2008 States, inspired by my Charleston Batman [...]

]]> By: Tobot Zeez http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-599 Tobot Zeez Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:08:15 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-599 I would love to see an update of this deck with Conflux in the mix. I would love to see an update of this deck with Conflux in the mix.

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-85 admin Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:04:14 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-85 I considered playing Nameless Inversion - and they obviously work better with the Gilt-Leaf Palaces. Maybe four is better in the sideboard than any Lash Outs due to all the Red removal main deck; however Lash Out is much better against most beatdown decks because if you have enough time, it will actually improve your draws (that is, the longer games with more deck selection favor you). Feel free to send me an email on Facebook... But I am not always the best about responding. I considered playing Nameless Inversion - and they obviously work better with the Gilt-Leaf Palaces. Maybe four is better in the sideboard than any Lash Outs due to all the Red removal main deck; however Lash Out is much better against most beatdown decks because if you have enough time, it will actually improve your draws (that is, the longer games with more deck selection favor you).

Feel free to send me an email on Facebook… But I am not always the best about responding.

]]> By: jmgh http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-84 jmgh Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:35:05 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-84 Hi again Mike. Look, I have a Playtest this afternoon and I play this deck (it's awesome, I play two of your decks in last two years, angelfire and this mana ramp :D) With your indications, i change the mana base for this: 4 Fire-lit Thicket 6 Forest 1 Mountain 4 Savage Lands 1 Swamp 4 Treetop Village 3 Gilt-Leaf Palace With this manabase i don't have any problem with colors and in turn 3 I have the 3 colors always. In sideboard I'm only change Maws with Nameless. I play always against faeries and the result it's 9-1 I think this is the correct manabase but, against Kithkins, I Think 2 plus Nameless it's better than Lash Out... What do you think?? Finally, I'm very interested i comment a question (not related with this deck) in "private mode" Can you sendme an email if you have free time please?? Anyway, and again, sorry my little english and see you!! ;) Hi again Mike.

Look, I have a Playtest this afternoon and I play this deck (it’s awesome, I play two of your decks in last two years, angelfire and this mana ramp :D)

With your indications, i change the mana base for this:
4 Fire-lit Thicket
6 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Savage Lands
1 Swamp
4 Treetop Village
3 Gilt-Leaf Palace

With this manabase i don’t have any problem with colors and in turn 3 I have the 3 colors always.

In sideboard I’m only change Maws with Nameless.

I play always against faeries and the result it’s 9-1

I think this is the correct manabase but, against Kithkins, I Think 2 plus Nameless it’s better than Lash Out… What do you think??

Finally, I’m very interested i comment a question (not related with this deck) in “private mode” Can you sendme an email if you have free time please??

Anyway, and again, sorry my little english and see you!! ;)

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-39 admin Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:54:50 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-39 This is a response to ascensionblade / MLB... I played Jund because it was crushing Reflecting Pool Control in testing. I have probably said this 100 times now but it felt like I was always playing against Reflecting Pool Control and I was not happy with any of my Blue decks. Truth be told you can probably take what is good about my Jund Mana Ramp deck and apply it to an alternate Reflecting Pool Control deck, viz. four-color Doran / Reveillark and have a similar strategy, albeit packing Cryptic Command. That is something that I am working on for Worlds. As for blocking Demigods and so on... That is actually something that came later. Double Dragon was a late addition for this deck that came from the Storyteller in the last couple of days leading up to States. I didn't choose Jund Mana Ramp because it could block Demigod so much as I -- or really Evan -- found a way for Jund Mana Ramp to block Demigod. The sweepers were of course nice but you can apply similar strategies to say Quick'N'Toast; just run Firespout and Wrath instead. For me the biggest things were the identification of Rampant Growth as probably the best accelerator in the format and Gift of the Gargantuan as arguably the most underrated spell in Shards of Alara. I knew I wanted to have my "Signet" and Rampant Growth was the only one available... and Gift of the Gargantuan is very powerful, in particular teamed up with Treetop Village. Everything else fell into place later. Thanks for your comment and interest. LOVE MIKE This is a response to ascensionblade / MLB…

I played Jund because it was crushing Reflecting Pool Control in testing. I have probably said this 100 times now but it felt like I was always playing against Reflecting Pool Control and I was not happy with any of my Blue decks.

Truth be told you can probably take what is good about my Jund Mana Ramp deck and apply it to an alternate Reflecting Pool Control deck, viz. four-color Doran / Reveillark and have a similar strategy, albeit packing Cryptic Command. That is something that I am working on for Worlds.

As for blocking Demigods and so on… That is actually something that came later. Double Dragon was a late addition for this deck that came from the Storyteller in the last couple of days leading up to States. I didn’t choose Jund Mana Ramp because it could block Demigod so much as I — or really Evan — found a way for Jund Mana Ramp to block Demigod.

The sweepers were of course nice but you can apply similar strategies to say Quick’N'Toast; just run Firespout and Wrath instead.

For me the biggest things were the identification of Rampant Growth as probably the best accelerator in the format and Gift of the Gargantuan as arguably the most underrated spell in Shards of Alara. I knew I wanted to have my “Signet” and Rampant Growth was the only one available… and Gift of the Gargantuan is very powerful, in particular teamed up with Treetop Village. Everything else fell into place later.

Thanks for your comment and interest.

LOVE
MIKE

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-27 admin Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:01:30 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-27 I didn't make Top 8 unfortunately... What BDM would call a "virtual Top 8" instead. I finished Top 16. I was planning on playing Jund for about half a week prior to the tournament. I tested it online and I did very well for myself; in particular the deck is excellent against Reflecting Pool Control, which was the most popular deck online. On balance, Blightning Beatdown was a late find for us. I of course saw it after the Berlin LCQ, but we didn't take that seriously until after the LCQ, where Brian's performance was undefeated. However I was set for Jund already at that point. Those were my two favorite decks going into States though, Jund Mana Ramp and Blightning Beatdown. If I played the same tournament again, I would play Jund Mana Ramp again, albeit modifying the lands somewhat. I didn’t make Top 8 unfortunately… What BDM would call a “virtual Top 8″ instead. I finished Top 16. I was planning on playing Jund for about half a week prior to the tournament. I tested it online and I did very well for myself; in particular the deck is excellent against Reflecting Pool Control, which was the most popular deck online.

On balance, Blightning Beatdown was a late find for us. I of course saw it after the Berlin LCQ, but we didn’t take that seriously until after the LCQ, where Brian’s performance was undefeated. However I was set for Jund already at that point. Those were my two favorite decks going into States though, Jund Mana Ramp and Blightning Beatdown. If I played the same tournament again, I would play Jund Mana Ramp again, albeit modifying the lands somewhat.

]]> By: Thanatos6 http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-26 Thanatos6 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:42:43 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-26 I'm curious why you went with Jund Mana Ramp instead of, say, Blightning Beatdown. It sounded like you chose it as a last-minute decision. Grats on your top-eight. I’m curious why you went with Jund Mana Ramp instead of, say, Blightning Beatdown. It sounded like you chose it as a last-minute decision.

Grats on your top-eight.

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/jund-mana-ramp-at-the-new-york-state-championships/#comment-25 admin Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:05:21 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=84#comment-25 I would play the same strategy but I think I would fix my mana. My mana base is definitely sub-optimal; I think Gilt-Leaf Palace might be good in this mana base with all the Elves -- I would therefore probably play some Nameless Inversions in the sideboard over Shriekmaw. I would play the same strategy but I think I would fix my mana. My mana base is definitely sub-optimal; I think Gilt-Leaf Palace might be good in this mana base with all the Elves — I would therefore probably play some Nameless Inversions in the sideboard over Shriekmaw.

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