Comments on: Eight Matches with Blightning Beatdown - Part 1 http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/ Where you learn to love what Mike Flores loves Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:56:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Five With Flores » Eight Matches with Blightning Beatdown - Part 2 http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-103 Five With Flores » Eight Matches with Blightning Beatdown - Part 2 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:05:33 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-103 [...] case you didn’t read Eight Matches with Blightning Beatdown - Part 1, here is the deck [...] [...] case you didn’t read Eight Matches with Blightning Beatdown - Part 1, here is the deck [...]

]]> By: admin http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-102 admin Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:12:41 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-102 @ zsievers I don't think Realm Razor is any better than Mind Shatter. It's equally fast and easy / difficult to cast, but Mind Shatter is one sided. That is not to say it's worse... just not better I think. @ enzoreal I thought that too, except Blightning was up like 8-2 in the mock tournament "mirror" testing. I confess I've never played the matchup heads up myself, but I think I would want something along the lines of Lash Out, which is more flexible. @janVN I disagree strenuously on this. Everlasting Torment handles a lot of different things all with a single card... Forge-Tender, Runed Halo, Kitchen Finks. I have suffered the double-draw but I have also lost close games that would have been blowouts if I had an Everlasting Torment. This deck beats most decks in Stage Three with Demigod of Revenge; Torment allows you to trump their Stage Two "trumps" of various stripes. Doesn't mean I am right... But when I am on the other side of the table I fear the Torment. @KZipple I would consider Lash Out but I brain so often with Incinerate it is a tough sell. I would definitely consider Lash Out for the sideboard. I think that Magma Spray is needlessly narrow for this deck. I am not saying it is bad, just that I don't want to play it and that all my cards are better than it. Is that saying it's bad? @dyre42 I don't have anything against Magma Spray. In fact I don't like to see it when I am Kitchen Finks. That said, I still win usually. Take that for what you will. I think the opportunity cost of Magma Spray is inversely related to its mana cost in this deck. @KZipple again I really like Caldera Hellion, but I think this deck needs Black removal or it can't beat Spectral Procession and Forge-Tender. Caldera Hellion is 5 and doesn't get through a Forge-Tender. Infest is 3 and does get through a Forge-Tender. That is the basis of my decision. @ enzoreal again What he said. @KZipple again redux You can lose to their playing multiple Processions and chump-blocking you while gaining life on the ground with Meadowgrain. I actually think that is a difficult matchup because of seeing friends complain about it between rounds. :) Thanks everyone for the responses. I was writing Part 2 last night but fell asleep watching Iron Chef America. Updates coming soon. LOVE MIKE @ zsievers
I don’t think Realm Razor is any better than Mind Shatter. It’s equally fast and easy / difficult to cast, but Mind Shatter is one sided. That is not to say it’s worse… just not better I think.

@ enzoreal
I thought that too, except Blightning was up like 8-2 in the mock tournament “mirror” testing. I confess I’ve never played the matchup heads up myself, but I think I would want something along the lines of Lash Out, which is more flexible.

@janVN
I disagree strenuously on this. Everlasting Torment handles a lot of different things all with a single card… Forge-Tender, Runed Halo, Kitchen Finks. I have suffered the double-draw but I have also lost close games that would have been blowouts if I had an Everlasting Torment. This deck beats most decks in Stage Three with Demigod of Revenge; Torment allows you to trump their Stage Two “trumps” of various stripes. Doesn’t mean I am right… But when I am on the other side of the table I fear the Torment.

@KZipple
I would consider Lash Out but I brain so often with Incinerate it is a tough sell. I would definitely consider Lash Out for the sideboard. I think that Magma Spray is needlessly narrow for this deck. I am not saying it is bad, just that I don’t want to play it and that all my cards are better than it. Is that saying it’s bad?

@dyre42
I don’t have anything against Magma Spray. In fact I don’t like to see it when I am Kitchen Finks. That said, I still win usually. Take that for what you will. I think the opportunity cost of Magma Spray is inversely related to its mana cost in this deck.

@KZipple again
I really like Caldera Hellion, but I think this deck needs Black removal or it can’t beat Spectral Procession and Forge-Tender. Caldera Hellion is 5 and doesn’t get through a Forge-Tender. Infest is 3 and does get through a Forge-Tender. That is the basis of my decision.

@ enzoreal again
What he said.

@KZipple again redux
You can lose to their playing multiple Processions and chump-blocking you while gaining life on the ground with Meadowgrain. I actually think that is a difficult matchup because of seeing friends complain about it between rounds. :)

Thanks everyone for the responses. I was writing Part 2 last night but fell asleep watching Iron Chef America. Updates coming soon.

LOVE
MIKE

]]> By: KZipple http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-100 KZipple Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:30:09 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-100 That's why I was presenting it as a suggestion. The black cards that excite me are Thoughtseize and Blightning, not Infest. With the advent of Hell's Thunder, I feel like we're better equipped to burn over the top and worry a little less about the Forge-Tender. Maybe I'm wrong though. That’s why I was presenting it as a suggestion. The black cards that excite me are Thoughtseize and Blightning, not Infest. With the advent of Hell’s Thunder, I feel like we’re better equipped to burn over the top and worry a little less about the Forge-Tender. Maybe I’m wrong though.

]]> By: enzoreal http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-99 enzoreal Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:52:32 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-99 KZipple are u a token??? splash to black was to introduce Infest and to can win of kithikin decks(burreton) KZipple are u a token???
splash to black was to introduce Infest and to can win of kithikin decks(burreton)

]]> By: KZipple http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-98 KZipple Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:42:35 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-98 Another idea: could Caldera Hellion be good instead of Infest? It's got to be easier to cast, so it probably isn't as much slower as the mana cost would suggest. Plus it's got a lot more upside. Thoughts? Another idea: could Caldera Hellion be good instead of Infest? It’s got to be easier to cast, so it probably isn’t as much slower as the mana cost would suggest. Plus it’s got a lot more upside. Thoughts?

]]> By: dyre42 http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-97 dyre42 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:10:51 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-97 I'm curious as to what you have against Magma Spray. It keeps Kitchen Finks from being reappearing and cuts down the number of weenies that Reveilark can recycle. I’m curious as to what you have against Magma Spray. It keeps Kitchen Finks from being reappearing and cuts down the number of weenies that Reveilark can recycle.

]]> By: KZipple http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-96 KZipple Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:33:28 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-96 I agree that Everlasting Torment is bad. I almost never want to draw it. I would probably play 4x Magma Spray instead. I played some Red Deck online yesterday, seeing how often I would rather have Torment than Magma Spray. Not often; not nearly as often as the other way around. I would go with -4 Incinerate, +3 Lash Out, +1 Mountain [or Mutavault if you're less of a pansy than me]. 26 lands seems like too many, but 25 sounds pretty good. Plus the Lash Out gets us up to 26 by the Alan Comer Metric. I agree that Everlasting Torment is bad. I almost never want to draw it. I would probably play 4x Magma Spray instead. I played some Red Deck online yesterday, seeing how often I would rather have Torment than Magma Spray. Not often; not nearly as often as the other way around.
I would go with -4 Incinerate, +3 Lash Out, +1 Mountain [or Mutavault if you're less of a pansy than me]. 26 lands seems like too many, but 25 sounds pretty good. Plus the Lash Out gets us up to 26 by the Alan Comer Metric.

]]> By: janVN http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-95 janVN Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:42:17 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-95 I would run 2 Unwilling Recruit in the sideboard, at the expense of 2 Everlasting Torment. You'll hate the times when you draw 2 Everlasting Torment and Unwilling Recruit kills them out of nothing with Story Circle or multiple Runed Halos in play. Recruit is also very good in the mirror. Maybe also switch around the 3 en 4 of Thougtseize and Guttural Response, I think you want the proactive card over the reactive one most of the time. I would run 2 Unwilling Recruit in the sideboard, at the expense of 2 Everlasting Torment. You’ll hate the times when you draw 2 Everlasting Torment and Unwilling Recruit kills them out of nothing with Story Circle or multiple Runed Halos in play. Recruit is also very good in the mirror. Maybe also switch around the 3 en 4 of Thougtseize and Guttural Response, I think you want the proactive card over the reactive one most of the time.

]]> By: enzoreal http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-94 enzoreal Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:46:02 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-94 I think you should use something on the sideboard against the mirror because you lose a lot of life with bitterblossom and sulfurous springs. What would be good against the mirror??? I think you should use something on the sideboard against the mirror because you lose a lot of life with bitterblossom and sulfurous springs.
What would be good against the mirror???

]]> By: zsievers http://fivewithflores.com/2008/11/eight-matches-with-blightning-beatdown-part-1/#comment-93 zsievers Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:08:17 +0000 http://fivewithflores.com/?p=124#comment-93 I had a thought about those awful 5c mirrors: Would boarding Realm Razors be any good? I had a thought about those awful 5c mirrors:

Would boarding Realm Razors be any good?

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